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lad-1 Este usador tiene un nivel elementario de Judeo-Espanyol.
en-N This user has a native understanding of English.
en-5 This user has professional knowledge of English.
fr-3 Cet utilisateur dispose de connaissances avancées en français.
he-2 משתמש זה יודע עברית ברמה בינונית.
es-1 Este usuario tiene un conocimiento básico del español.
tr-0 Bu kullanıcı hiç Türkçe bilmiyor (ya da bir hayli zor anlıyor).
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Saludes, StevenJ81![Trocar el manadero]

Venidas buenas i klaras a la Vikipedya Judeo-Espanyola!

¡Na! Aki tenes unos atamientos para ayudarte:

De nuevo, buenas venidas a la Vikipedya Judeo-Espanyola!

Meshiko[Trocar el manadero]

Hi shalom my friend, I'm Mexican, is a pleasure write about Sephardic people, my country is a Sephardic land since Spanish colonial time. Greetings.--Marrovi (discusión) 02:59 30 Nov 2015 (UTC)

Categories[Trocar el manadero]

Don't worry, English is fine. :-) I created the Category:Helsinki just because there were a page with the red link to that category, but I understand that with just one article inside it is almost useless. Some other small wiki does not care about almost emty categories, also because they should be filled with the time, but now I will remember that on you need at least some articles before a category is created. ;-) Ciao! --Phyrexian ɸ 19:08 6 Abr 2016 (UTC)

Ladino Wikipedia[Trocar el manadero]

Hello StevenJ81, and thank you for your welcome. My intention is to categorize all cities/towns in Spain, first as cities in Spain, and then, in the regions, and where it could be necessary, in provinces. There were some articles without any category, so I guess I'm working in the right way. In case you don't agree, please, tell me. I stop till a new answer. --Millars (discusión) 18:42 7 Jun 2016 (UTC)

That's generally fine. I guess what I'm thinking here is that true cities are cities. Things smaller than that should be probably "localidades" (or something like that), and should probably be categorized directly by province, at largest. I'm worried that if you categorize them any more broadly (by region, or worse, "en Espanya"), the categories will be so crowded that they won't be of much use. StevenJ81 (discusión) 18:52 7 Jun 2016 (UTC)
Also: We have the pseudobot/flooder flag here. It doesn't really help for HotCat, because HotCat ignores that bit when it edits. But if you are doing a lot of other types of repetitive things here I'm happy to give you that flag while you're working. (It's set up here so you can unflag yourself when you're done.) StevenJ81 (discusión) 18:54 7 Jun 2016 (UTC)

Hello again. I did not see you message. Please, when you answer me, could you call me with a {{ping|Millars}} or with a message in my discussion. If not I'll read it in several days because I don't receive any note. About cities and "localidades", the therm city is quite confused and in this case I think they can be the same. So, I prefer categorize all localidades of Spain as cities of Spain. Then, I'll create categories for cities in every region. Maybe I can do this directly. About the flag, yes, it could be useful if you think it would be better, but I don't mind. Tomorrow I start a travel and after I attend Wikimania, so I don't now when I can continue that task. About the stubs deleted. I don't know how they are. In my opinion, that they were or not in another language should not be a relevance criteria. Sometimes having a stub that does not exist in any other project is more interesting because that language offers an information that could not be find in any other place. But of course it depends on the stub. I can not say yes or no for all of them, and less, without reading them. --Millars (discusión) 12:11 11 Jun 2016 (UTC)

@Millars: I thought I left the message in your discussion at eswiki. My apologies.
No hurry on the task. Ping me when you think you might start working and I'll flag you.
As for the stubs I deleted, look, for example, at the page Presiyas. That page is not deleted, of course. But the pages I deleted are all to about that level of detail, no more. And they all needed wikifying.
I agree that sometimes a stub that does not exist in any other project is more interesting. I would never delete a stub about Sefardic Jewish culture, personalities, or historical locations from this wiki, no matter what. But the place-stubs I deleted were all places in northern Spain—usually somewhere in Burgos, and at that usually somewhere in the Merindades. None of them displayed any historical ties to the history of Jews in Spain, which might have given them special notability on this wiki. Yes, places usually carry inherent notability. But I assume that if these places do not even qualify for a page on their native language Wikipedia (eswiki or cawiki or arwiki or any other Spanish regional-language wikis) that they are judged not to be notable. In that case, I need some independent evidence of notability, and there just was no such evidence. So that is my justification.
Feel free to go through my deletion logs and ask me to pick a handful at random to restore so that you can look at them.
By the way, I use a little javascript at Usador:StevenJ81/esWPtab.js so that I have an immediate link to the potential eswiki page for comparison purposes. Sometimes that only takes me to a search page, as spelling can be different. But I have tried to do my homework on this. StevenJ81 (discusión) 14:39 14 Jun 2016 (UTC)
@Marrovi: This was the approach we had thought to take for categorizing places in Spain. I'd appreciate any comments you have. StevenJ81 (discusión) • 11 Av 5776 • 17:22 15 Ago 2016 (UTC)

I'm back[Trocar el manadero]

Hi Steven,

I'm sorry for having such a long wikibreak, but I logged in for the first time almost since the beginning of the year (I flew 6 times from one country to another and just a week ago I moved back). And I'm trying to review everything I've missed one-by-one right now. Hope to stay in touch! :) --Universal Life (discusión) 17:18 26 Jun 2016 (UTC)

Good to have you back. I've been trying to hold things together, but it's much easier when you're around. StevenJ81 (discusión) • 21 Siván 5776 • 03:04 27 Jun 2016 (UTC)

Juliantla[Trocar el manadero]

Shalom, I'm with the coordinates in each town and city. Juliantla is a exemple for other places. Merci, shabat shalom. --Marrovi (discusión) 14:47 1 Ago 2016 (UTC)

@Marrovi: Shalom! You can add a |tipo_div_2 = Munisipio for cases like that. StevenJ81 (discusión) • 26 Tammuz 5776 • 14:50 1 Ago 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks.--Marrovi (discusión) 14:51 1 Ago 2016 (UTC)

Estados de Meshiko[Trocar el manadero]

The names of Mexican states can to change in ladino, for example Muevo Leon for Nuevo León, Kampeche for Campeche or Yukatan for Yucatán, but I think in other cases can to be the same in Spanish, What about you? --Marrovi (discusión) 16:54 1 Ago 2016 (UTC)

@Marrovi: I agree. I would make sure that there are redirects from "properly spelled in Spanish" names (like Campeche) to respelled names (like Kampeche). If there are very likely redirects in the other direction (like maybe Tabasko to Tabasco) I would add those, too. StevenJ81 (discusión) • 26 Tammuz 5776 • 16:57 1 Ago 2016 (UTC)

Are you prefer in Spanish? I can redirect to Spanish.--Marrovi (discusión) 17:01 1 Ago 2016 (UTC)

The changes in djudeoespanyol are Basha Kalifornia, Basha Kalifornia Sud, Yukatan, Muevo Leon, Meshiko, without problems.--Marrovi (discusión) 17:10 1 Ago 2016 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion. If you force me to choose, I would say:
  • If there is a traditional name in djudeoespanyol , definitely use it, and redirect from Spanish. This includes names that include a common djudeoespanyol word or name, like muevo instead of nuevo (or, of course, Yerushalayim and not Jerusalén).
  • Otherwise, it's really up to you. If you are trying to write using Aki Yerushalayim spelling, then it's probably good to be consistent with that. Just make sure there is a redirect from the modern Spanish name, because some people will look for it that way.
  • Most important, make sure you connect things in Wikidata, which you normally do.
I hope that helps. StevenJ81 (discusión) • 26 Tammuz 5776 • 17:13 1 Ago 2016 (UTC)

I'm learnig ladino very speed, but I prefer Aki Yerushalayim pronunciation as soon as Autonomic Communities of Spain (exemple; Kantabria for Cantabria). In Spanish colonial language we have Gvadaxara for Guadalajara, Xalapa for Jalapa. In other languages Yucatán and Jalisco states is diferent to Spanish in wikidata.

If use Aki Yesushalayim for Aguascalientes is Aguaskalientes, in Ladino is Aguas and Kalientes (Hot waters).

Right. And I think using Aguaskalientes is fine. Just put a redirect at Aguascalientes. StevenJ81 (discusión) • 26 Tammuz 5776 • 17:32 1 Ago 2016 (UTC)

Kateggoria[Trocar el manadero]

Hi Steven, I'm use Aki Yerushayaim system, but redirected two uses in writing, for example; French system Sivdades d'Andalusia by Oriental system in Lashon Hakodesh; Sivdades de Andaluziya, without apostrophe as French system.--Marrovi (discusión) 17:29 15 Ago 2016 (UTC)

That part is completely fine. I was thinking more of Sivdades de Espanya > Sivdades de Kastiya i Leon. We thought to use one very local category and one "Spain" category, rather than using something in the middle like "Kastiya i Leon". StevenJ81 (discusión) • 11 Av 5776 • 17:31 15 Ago 2016 (UTC)

Photographs you uploaded[Trocar el manadero]


I honestly don't remember, probably with a phone or an old camera I no longer have with me, and that was years ago. Feel free to get them deleted by our friends at Commons if that is the case. I don't have much free time now to write the policy in Ladino, especially if I'm the only one who can actually read it, apart from Universal Life. I will try later to have a friend in Morocco to upload a better picture when he goes to Marrakesh. --Maor X (discusión) 20:33 22 Ago 2016 (UTC)

@Maor X: Thanks for replying. For the pictures: If you're telling me that you took them, and that you are freely licensing them, that's fine. I just need to know you didn't scan them from a book somewhere. For the policy, I'm trying to get some help. I think the way to go on that is to write a policy in English, then ask you or UL simply to translate once it is written. StevenJ81 (discusión) • 19 Av 5776 • 20:40 22 Ago 2016 (UTC)

Haquetía[Trocar el manadero]

Shalom, StevenJ81, I don't know French variant, but I write Haketía, is a Marrocan Variant as similar judeoespañol spoken in Latino American countries (my grand grand father, and many old people in my town spoke a variant similar to Marrocan Sephardi languages) , I don't know if this variant is similar to French variant. I'm looking about French variant but is difficult understand as wrote Frech variant.--Marrovi (discusión) 16:08 25 Ago 2016 (UTC)

Occident variants are similar to Marrocan ladino, named as Jaketía. Ladino in Latinoamerican countries was absorbed by Modern Spanish language, but in many towns, many Sephardic descendents (old people) speak a Colonial Spanish very similar to Marrocan Ladino.--Marrovi (discusión) 16:10 25 Ago 2016 (UTC)

@Marrovi and Universal Life: That's fine, Marrovi. As long as we know what you're trying to do it's good. Universal Life can give you more guidance on different spelling conventions. StevenJ81 (discusión) • 21 Av 5776 • 16:39 25 Ago 2016 (UTC)
I am going to revert your edits on La Primera Oja (OF). If you want to create a version of La Primera Oja (Haquetía), feel free to do that in parallel. StevenJ81 (discusión) • 21 Av 5776 • 16:41 25 Ago 2016 (UTC)
OK.--Marrovi (discusión) 16:49 25 Ago 2016 (UTC)